A commentary by Sam Hurst
You gotta love springtime baseball on the Great Plains. Two weeks ago it snowed and the wind howled forty miles an hour. Four days later there was an inch of rain on the field. In between, the 2010 Post 22 baseball team took the field against Cheyenne, and got whacked. So why is Dave Ploof smiling?
Shortstop Dante Bledsoe turned a fleet-footed double play, and then on the next routine grounder threw the ball fifteen feet over the first baseman’s head. The hitters were flat-footed and slow to react. Parker Sullivan pulled his head and struck out. So why is Dave Ploof smiling?
There is almost nobody in the stands. Of course, there’s that one old man, with the patient wife, who sits behind the first base dugout. While parents are yelling, “Come on…Johnny”, the old man exclaims with some frustration, “Stay back. Don’t pull your head.” Those who need to know who he is…know. Those who need to listen…listen. Along the left field line, high in the bleachers, sits another man, laughing softly with his friends. When a grounder is hit to shortstop he pulls off the conversation, watches the play, and then returns to his friends. His grandson is an emerging star, but the man leaves the impression that he has seen all this before. He is unassuming, modest…doesn’t even wear an Oakland A’s cap.

Long-time Post 22 supporter and former coach Dr. James 'Pev' Evans
I have never seen Dave Ploof smile this much at the beginning of a season.
Three years ago he scowled his way through warm-ups. He seemed twisted in knots. He knew his team was young. The road ahead would be tedious and the outcome unsure. Maybe the best days of Post 22 were behind it. “We have to go back to basics.” He told me. “We’re behind. We have to do a better job of teaching fundamentals.” He then went out and built a state-of-the-art indoor training facility, added the best modern training technology, and hired coaches Kyle Yamada and Mitch Messer.
This week Ploof is smiling. He cracks jokes with Little Leaguers in the stands. He fist bumps his players. Fist bumping? Dave Ploof? What’s going on?
Is it possible that by losing Sam Wolfe last year, grinding out a tough season, and losing to Post 320 in the first round of the state tournament, the program finally hit bottom…and survived? Is it possible that a huge burden was finally lifted? Is it possible that Post 22 can now get on with the business of being great without being perfect? Is it possible that the young, small, under-achievers have finally come of age?
Ploof whispers that the Expos (the old split squad) have the strongest group of talent in years, and almost all of the Canyon Lake Little League All-Stars who went to Williamsport are now in the Post 22 program. Is that why Dave Ploof is smiling?
Ah…not so fast.
Quietly, almost imperceptibly, the Music Man has come to town. He promises the boys of summer that if they will just follow him away from the clutches of their community-based American Legion teams, he will lead them to big time college baseball and the pro draft. Coach Jason Anderson (late of the Los Angeles Angels farm system) ain’t talking. I wish he would explain what it is he’s trying to accomplish. He has already held tryouts for an “all star traveling team”–a team that will “showcase” individual talent to pro scouts in a way that no Legion team can offer. Or so he tells anxious players who pay $150 just to tryout. Those who make the roster will pay more…much more. The cult of the “showcase” is, after all, a cash and carry business.
There is mystery surrounding the new all-stars. When do they play?” Where do they play? How can you organize a South Dakota all-star team without Post 22 players? Why wouldn’t a big-time stud from Rapid City, who wants to be seen by pro scouts and college coaches, just play for Post 22? Anderson is silent. Nonetheless, Post 320 has lost its promising sophomore catcher Jake Fredericksen. And Sturgis has lost a good left arm in senior Michael Baldwin.
The logic of the all-star team is that it recruits only the best. But the true seduction of the Music Man is his promise that success does not rest on talent, or hard work, or the team concept, but the right body type, the right connections, and faith…lots of faith. If you (parent or player) believe that you are good enough to play professional baseball, you can. This approach taps into the deepest Horatio Alger values of American success. If you believe in yourself, all the rest is fate. If you fail it is because you just didn’t have enough faith (or you didn’t pay enough).
With the new “Team South Dakota”—or whatever it calls itself—the American cult of narcissism, celebrity, and self-promotion has finally come home to Rapid City. This is the Brittany Spears of youth baseball. Lindsay Lohan could play third base. Paris Hilton, centerfield. Terrell Owens, first base. “Me. Me. Me. Me. Look at me.” The slogan on the front of all star jerseys should read: “We Took the Short Cut”.
This is the culture of minor leaguers who start using steroids “to get an edge”. This is the culture of golf stars who believe “the rules just didn’t apply to me.” This is the culture of Hall of Fame players who go before Congress and lie to protect their legacies and their corporate sponsorships, then can’t understand why a fourteen year old would lie and claim he was twelve just for the chance to play in the Little League World Series. This is the culture of Enron, Halliburton, and Wall Street. Damn the community. Damn my teammates. I’m gonna get mine.
For almost half a century Dave Ploof has stood against this approach to baseball. “You are not as good as you think your are.” He cautions. “You’re not ready.” “You need to work harder, hustle harder, be a better teammate.” The Music Man argues that mediocre teammates hold the shooting star back from his potential. Ploof argues that baseball is a team sport best played on a hot July evening in front of a loyal community.
Most super-star nineteen year olds who graduate from the Post 22 program think they are ready to be drafted, Ploof thinks they barely understand the game.
In this culture of self-centered individualism, and get-it-now celebrity, Ploof is an old- school traditionalist. But maybe his time has passed. Are traveling all-star teams the way of the future? Is American Legion baseball a quaint backwater of undiscovered, mediocre talent? Is the team concept an anachronism?
The traveling team philosophy is based on a series of shaky premises. First, there is the notion that a six foot, five inch, left-handed pitcher who throws ninety miles-an-hour, and is stuck on a small town team, will not be noticed by pro scouts or college coaches unless he leaves his community and hooks up with a traveling team. Yeah, right. This is a premise that under-estimates the greed of professional baseball, and the ambition of scouts whose paychecks are linked to the discovery of the next phenom. The real problem is that a self-centered boy who throws seventy-two and can’t get the ball over the plate thinks he is throwing ninety, thinks he is being held back by the lessers around him, and thinks that if he could just get seen by the coach from Texas he would prove that he is as good as his dad thinks he is. You throw ninety, believe me, the scouts will see you no matter where you live. They will knock down your door.
The second, more complicated premise, is the notion that individual talent can be separated from team.
Scouts are paid to find raw physical talent. The operative word is “paid”. They are not looking for players. They are looking for physical potential. But where does maturity fit in? Does he understand the game? What kind of teammate is he? Can he survive a long, grueling season? Who cares how a player looks in front of the mirror? How does he pitch or hit against really good competition…when it’s 2-2 in the ninth and he’s scared out of his mind? For the answers to these questions, college coaches turn to high school and American Legion coaches, not traveling team coaches whose paycheck is tied to the promotion of their players.

Fitzgerald Stadium (Photo courtesy of Post 22 baseball)
Among the generations of parents who pass through the gates of Fitzgerald Field, there is a common criticism of Dave Ploof. He is not a cheerleader for his players. I don’t know whether he is or not. But I do know this: Fathers are notoriously the worst judges of their son’s talent, and Dave Ploof talks to college and pro scouts more than people think. The problem is that he doesn’t always tell his players (or their parents) what they want to hear. Pardon me for stating the obvious, but when it comes time to judge whether a player is ready for college or the pros, I trust Dave Ploof’s judgment, and the judgment of his staff, more than I trust mom and dad or a paid promoter.
Let me explore two cases, which tell us a lot about the process. InsideDakotaSports.com editor Jake Nordbye was a three-year starting catcher on Post 22. He had a cannon for an arm, perhaps the best ever. He was wicked fast on the base paths. He had a good stick. He had the right body type. Most of all, he loved, absolutely loved, baseball. He also had a wild temper. More than once Dave Ploof shook his head in frustration and grumbled, “Jake just doesn’t listen.” Physically Jake was ready for big-time college baseball or the professional minor leagues, but he wasn’t ready mentally. So what did Dave Ploof do? He steered Jake to a small junior college in Kansas (a baseball powerhouse) where Jake could work on his skills and grow up. In Kansas, Jake got frustrated and impatient. He left the program months before he would have been drafted. Jake’s story is baseball’s loss, but journalism’s gain. I believe Jake’s true calling is as a writer. He may not make it to the Major Leagues, but if he sticks to it, there is a Pulitzer Prize in his future.
There is a second story. It is a cautionary tale for all the studs out there who think raw talent trumps character. It’s the Mark Ellis story. We would do well to remember that the only South Dakota player actually playing in the Major Leagues is a 5’9” infielder with a mediocre arm and no spectacular home run pop. Dave Ploof would say I am dead wrong about Ellis’ physical endowment. But…come on, coach. Just look at him! Mark Ellis has none of the physical traits that would attract a professional scout. He has just enough, but he also has all the intangibles that Dave Ploof teaches.
How did Mark Ellis get to the Major Leagues? He spent his entire eligibility with Post 22. He spent four years at the University of Florida. He spent two years in the minor leagues. He took no shortcuts. He did it the painstaking, unglamorous, Ploof Way. And, somewhere along the line, Dave Ploof told the coach from Florida, or a pro scout, “This kid can play ball.”
A decade later, Mark Ellis is arguably the best second baseman in the American League.
Advocates of the all-star traveling team say that they only want four or five of the “very best” South Dakota players, to which they will add all-stars from surrounding states. This is a slippery slope to mediocrity. By taking one or two of the best players off a community team like Post 22, Rapid City cannot compete for a state title or World Series appearance. They cannot compete well in the very tournaments (the Gopher Classic, the Firecracker, the College World Series) that scouts attend. Imagine this year’s Post 22 team without Kolton Emery, Parker Sullivan, or Dana Hill.
All-star coaches may argue, “So what. Our commitment is to the individual all-star, not the community.” This is a dead-end.
Yes, the winters are long, and the early season tries our patience. But when summer comes, there is no better place in the country for teenage boys to train for high-level competitive baseball. And who pays for the Post 22 program? The community. A player on an all-star team will pay tens of thousands of dollars a season for the honor of playing before empty bleachers and a handful of radar guns, with strangers for teammates. Post 22 players train in the best facilities in the country from the time they are fourteen. They work with the best coaches in the region. They travel to the best tournaments. All for free. They don’t even pay for their caps. They earn them, but they don’t pay for them.
What does the community expect in return for its investment? We want to sit on a warm summer night and see the hardhats hustle onto the field when they are down 8-0 in the sixth. We want each season to begin with the hope and expectation that by August the team will compete to play in the World Series. We want the announcer to come on the PA system between innings and report that Mark Ellis went three for five against the Rangers. We want to lean over to our friend in the stands and say, “We really need to turn two to get out of this jam.” And then watch the boys do it. We want to believe that in ten years Parker Sullivan will still be playing centerfield…somewhere. Is that too much to ask for?
For the two, or three, or four boys with the God-given talent to play at higher levels, this community has created a great opportunity. This community! Shred that foundation, and there is nothing left but a culture of individual self-promotion. Traveling all star teams may be the rage of the future. They may be a viable model in big urban centers of the sunbelt where boys play high school baseball all year round. But as for me…I’d just as soon have our players get to college and the pros the old fashioned way, by sprinting onto the field wearing jerseys with RAPID CITY embroidered on the front.







I am humbled to say that I watched a consistent yet hard-working Mark Ellis shine in for Post 22 in 1995 then onto bigger things in the future as a Split-Squad catcher with Jake Nordbye. I played behind Jake in 1996 when nobody thought we as a team had what it took to win SD State Tourney, let alone make it the the World Series, but we did. I quit my 18 year old year, 1998, but was given a second chance by RIch Downs as he took the reigns at National American University in 1999. I took advantage of that second chance to play baseball once again. This allowed me to re-focus and get the chance to take what I learned by being in the Post 22 program and work for success in life. Today I am proud to say that I played for the Elite Post 22 program, but more importantly am thankful for the education I received in life from Dave Ploof and the Post 22 coaching staff. I can’t forget my great parents either, without them I would have never thought baseball could have led to the great life I have now.
Great read, but as I understand it, it is not so much about the coaches (including the head coach) it’s the good players that have coach Ploof smiling? So it is the players that make the difference? I thought it was the program? I think the article is conflicting.
Bench Player: Thanks for the comment. The whole point is that the “making of a baseball player” is not the result of one single factor. Scouts and traveling team promoters put too much emphasis on raw physical talent. To me, “success” is a byproduct of God-given physical ability, proper training by high quality coaches, and a “system” or “program” that puts teams into top notch competition and creates high xpectations. This part of the dynamic is especially important for young ball players who are developing. Then, of course, there are the intangibles that are much harder to pin down: the patience to learn (and listen to coaches), the ability to keep parental advice in perspective, the ability to fail and learn from it, the ability to grasp the team concept. These skills are just as important as learning to hit a slider and drive it to right field. But no one talks about the mental side of baseball very much because it is so squishy and hard to define. My own sense is that mental development happens as a result of being part of a stable program over the long haul, not dancing around from showcase to showcase, and definitely not by telling young teenagers that they are all-stars. If the organizers of the traveling all-stars want to attract young ball players, they need to explain how they intend to address these issues better than the programs that already exist. I hope this begins to answer your question about the “conflicting” nature of my commentary. Keep reading InsideDakotSports.com. SAM HURST
I am a current little league dad/coach who used to love this town for it’s baseball and now I basically just want out. This article, is simply sending the same message that all of the other “programs” in this town are sending. Everyone seems to think that they should be able to tell people where they can play and who they should play for. Here’s a thought…it’s not for you to decide. My family has every right to evaluate all of the baseball options presented to us if we think it is a better opportunity for our son than what is currently being offered. It is nobody’s business but ours how much money we are willing to spend for that opportunity. Also, if my son grows up to be a genious, I will not be sending him to public schools or be persuing a scholarship at Black Hills State. I will be willing to pay for a better opportunity scholastically as well. This is clearly written by another Post 22 trumpet blower trying to convince me of all the reasons I should send my son to play there.
It is my understanding that there is already a team of 15-16 year old boys whose parents started their own team and will travel around this summer to play. They manage to fly under the radar because they weren’t thought to be contributors to our almighty legion teams this summer. Basically, they have made the same decision as the two boys who are being portrayed as “self-centered” because of their involvement with travel ball.
Here’s my real issue. My son is a 9 year old at Canyon Lake little league. It has been brought to my attention that there is also a travel team of 11 year olds being assembled to compete at the end of the little league season to do some traveling/training. I don’t know if this is just one team or if this will be available for my son when he is 11. However, If this program is around, and my boy is invited to play, it is something that our family will really consider and probably do. I don’t need an article written to tell my that I am being duped or that my son is self-centered. Please let me decide where my son will or won’t play.
Lastly, the assertion that “travel ball is about money where Post 22 is not”, is not only horribly false, it is laughable. One of my closest friends has a boy in that program and the pressure to “fund raise” is unbelievable. Have you seen the amount of people at those games or the number of signs on the wall or heard the 50/50 totals or grand slam club numbers? Wake up, it’s a business. To my knowledge, they have three full time coaches working for them. Let me repeat that, FULL-TIME COACHES. These coaches are being paid at least enough to coach as their sole source of income. How much money do you think our high school basketball and football coaches make? I know it’s not enough for them to quit their teaching jobs. I also took them up on the opportunity to attend one of their coaching clinics. All the coaches seem like great guys and good baseball coaches, but there are 100 people in this town just like them. They all played Post 22 and then played in college. I don’t know how that qualifies them to be paid like a minor league baseball coach/professional. At this clinic they unvailed an unbelievable state-of-the-art piece of video analysis equipment and it was extremely impressive. They then gave us their spiel about how we should pay them for lessons. I have spent half the day researching travel baseball teams and they all sound just like Post 22. The only difference is they all aknowledge that they are a business and don’t complain that other teams exist.
I have grand-children in Little League and my son played college ball in Arizona. Something has happened in this town when it comes to baseball. The creation of 320 gave kids another option which was needed. But there is little disput it hurt Post 22 and their chances to go to a World Series more often. A travel team would just split up the talent more and personally I would rather see a Rapid City team compete nationally instead of kids have more options. Because of our population only one Legion team is required. We all want to see kids go on to college and play ball (and more importantly get an education) but traveling teams just won’t work here.
You’re a great writer Sam, and I really enjoyed this piece.
I believe that everyone should have options or choices in their life. Whether they are a high school baseball player, a high school graduate looking for the best college to attend to meet their career goals, a mother looking for the best daycare for her child. The list is endless. We could argue this point until we were all blue in the face. Baseball is a business no matter what level. Sam’s article meant more. When I read it, I smiled when he reminded me of our “sense of community” with Post 22 Baseball and now Post 320 Baseball. Rapid City is a sports community, our sense of pride in our “own” is one of the things I love most about Rapid City. Sam it was a great article. Thanks for reminding me of the smell of summer at the baseball field and the how I feel when I’m there.
Very interesting! Enjoy this web site and gives me a chance to get my sports fix.. Inside Dakota Sports has the potential to be the instrument for all scouts, coaches, parents and anyone else needing or distributing information. Welcome to the internet. Rapid City is really progressing in all areas of sports and this kind of debate is just a result of that. I support free choice as long as the athelet is the one doing the best for himself. Parents can offer support in many areas, but often have their own interest at heart. Parents, please be careful..
Thanks again for a place to get the true inside story concerning local sports. Lets all remember that we need to respect everyones opionion and their choices.. When someone tells me how I should choose, then I have a problem.
Seems fishy to charge $150 to tryout for a team that has never played a game. I would be anxious after quitting an established program and waiting for a team that has no history. Choices are great.. I hope the organizers of the traveling team are honest.
There is nothing wrong with travel ball. However, as Lon Sr. said, parents always need to be on the lookout for a greed. Research the team, it’s coaches, and it’s players before jumping. $150 to try out is a joke and would certainly raise a red flag for me as well.
Mark Ellis said once, have our team “Post 22″ were better than allot of D-1 players. So there is allot of truth in being exposed to a higher number of scouts and colleges, just like taking advantage of it whether it be at an American Legion World Series, or a Show Case Team.
Great feature Sam. I have followed American Legion baseball through my friends all of my life. I know that the Post programs are excellent, and as for Coach Ploof, I think his record shows he has the wisdom and ability to make a team that wins and competes for championships. Nate Barns may have quit the Legion program, but he also stopped playing minor/major league ball as well, and was well known to have discipline issues. I think what Sam is saying is that the mental game, the one that can keep a player successful, is better obtained through a system that is focused on the TEAM mentality. Playing for your team and community gives a player a better sense of commitment to something bigger than him/her self. That sense instills discipline and respect. The “military” style of coaching works, just as it does in the military…I should know, I spent 5 years as a scout in the Army with two of them in combat in Iraq. I had a “me” mentality before I joined, and I left knowing that serving a purpose or goal higher than yourself is the true test of character. As was mentioned in other comments, multiple choices for pursuing a career path are absolutely necessary. However, the over-riding theme of Sam’s article is that a player needs to understand the values associated with commitment to the hard work that comes with playing in the local Legion teams. Paying high fees just to give the impression that a player can “make it” is counter-intuitive to the process needed to develop the mental and character attributes it really takes to go the distance.
I have been involved in Rapid City baseball for over 30 years and Rapid City is a great baseball town, but many other towns around the state have started to close the gap between them and Rapid City. I think Post 320 was good for Rapid City, but it also took away a place for kids who do not want to play legion, but still want to play baseball.
The number of kids playing baseball after Little League has been going down for quite a few years. Too many kids are jumping straight from Little League to the legion programs. Many others are playing one year of Pony baseball and then leaving to go to the legions programs. Some of these boys are ready, but the majority are not ready. Some are not ready physically, but most are not ready mentally. The article talked about how Coach Ploof says many of the 19 year olds are not even ready and not mature enough. ….but then the legion programs take all of these 13 and 14 year olds.
I do think this causes another issue that has also hurt many other sports programs in Rapid City. When younger kids who could be playing with kids their own age move up, many of the kids who are their age decide not to play when they get older because they think that “those” kids already have all of the spots. In the long run, this could and will cut down on the number of kids in the legion program that are taking so many younger kids because they do not want them to play at the other legion program. The feud between our two legion programs has hurt Rapid City baseball. Sadly, Post 320 should be a good thing, but both programs are not about what is best for our kids, but what is best for them because they are competing against each other.
Another thing I think Rapid City baseball needs is a program for kid 15-18 that want or need to work. There are a ton of kids who just can not commit to the time that a legion program requires. I think Rapid City baseball would benefit from a Babe Ruth/Colt League for 15-18 year olds.
If you ask Mark Ellis why Rapid City baseball has been so successful, he will mention Post 22, but he will also mention the Pony League, and Little League baseball. They are all stages where development takes place.
Great articles Sam and Jake. Having played four years for Post 22 and coaching a year for Post 320, I can see both sides of the argument. When I finished playing Post 22, I went on to play with Jake at Seward County Community College, and after two years went on to pitch for The University of Texas-Arlington. After my senior year I was approached by Leroy Weimer to coach the Rising Stars of Post 320 with Mitch Johnson. I was so excited. However, I wasnt ready for all of the negative responses I received. Many people in Rapid City looked at me like I was a traitor. I wouldn’t have traded anything for my experiences with Post 22, but was given a wonderful opportunity to coach some great kids across the parking lot. So what? I wanted to teach these kids what I had learned in college baseball and being coached by some of the best coaches in the country. I live in Texas now and its simple to see that most kids play Select Team baseball. Most high school kids dont even know what American Legion is. The kids in Rapid City dont know how lucky they are to play in state of the art facilities in front of thousands of fans. I showed my college teammates where I played and they could not believe it. My senior year in 1998, we had 12 or more players from our team go on to play college baseball. Not many programs can say that no matter where they play. I have gone to high school baseball games here in Texas and have friends of mine that coach these Select Teams. There is no one in the stands and it is a crap shoot as to who you will play with from year to year. I know they have more exposure to scouts in Texas, but like Sam says, if you are good enough you will have a place to play college baseball. What I liked about Post 22 is the fact that it seemed like there was no politics. No ones dad was going to talk with the coach and persuade the coach their kid should be a starter. If you were good enough you were going to play. I can honestly say that I hated that fact of Post 320 when it came into existence. I didnt know if I felt they were a threat or what. I just knew it was something different and I sure as hell didnt like it. Having coached with Post 320 that year, I just realized that all these kids want to do is play baseball. The 320 kids never had anything bad to say about Post 22. I also dont know what to think about this traveling team just yet. I am not sure how the traveling team will affect our Legion programs, but it looks like to me they are sitting around waiting to play games. I also agree with what Jason Olson says in the fact that I think kids need to mature more by playing Little League and Babe Ruth. I can tell you right now that I wasn’t ready for Legion at 13 or 14 years old. That’s not to say that some kids aren’t, but I just wasn’t mature enough physically or mentally. I agree that there is nothing wrong with travel baseball, but just look around at what you have in front of you. If you think you are missing out on stands filled with scouts than sign up to play, but you have two great programs to choose from and great coaches. If anything, I think there should be a traveling team for Little Leaguers after their season is over. I always thought it was crazy that the season ended so early in the summer.
In conclusion, are there things I learned in college that I didnt learn at Post 22? Absolutely. I can honestly say I learned way more about pitching in college than I did at Post 22. However, Post 22 brought the true meaning of TEAM and I know Post 320 does the same for their kids. I learned life lessons playing for Post 22 and learned the true meaning of discipline and character. We learned how to play ball the right way and that is often times overlooked today. Whatever team these kids choose to play for it is ultimately their decision. They have the right to choose. I just know that Rapid City is a baseball town and these kids and parents should feel very fortunate to get the opportunity to play ball there.
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