Tanner Chleborad has a 6-3 record this season and an ERA of 0.92. (Photo Kevin Cox/IDS)
RAPID CITY, S.D. — Rapid City Post 22’s ace pitcher Tanner Chleborad threw 339 pitches in 11 days between June 29 and July 9. He hasn’t thrown a single pitch since. On Tuesday, Chleborad met with his orthopedic physician, reviewed the results of an MRI on his injured ulnar nerve, and learned that he will need another two to three weeks of rehabilitation before he can begin to throw again.
The physician’s timetable means that Chleborad won’t be available to pitch for Post 22 in the South Dakota State Tournament or the Central Plains National Regional Tournament, which begins on August 5. Under the best-case scenario, Chleborad would be available to pitch in the American Legion World Series.
“The doctor said the results of the MRI were good, and that nothing is torn,” said Chleborad. “He said I just need to rest for two to three weeks and then I can start to throw.”
After learning the results of the MRI, Post 22 head coach Dave Ploof told IDS, “All of us at Post 22 are extremely happy with the great news on Tanner’s MRI report. The doctor’s report was that everything is clear. I’m really happy that he will be okay. That is the most important thing. Tanner’s a tough competitor and we look forward to seeing him pitch in the future.”
Chleborad had been receiving therapy for pain in his arm for three weeks prior to his last start on July 9, when he threw a two-hit shutout at the Gopher Classic in Minnesota. After the game, his arm went numb. The next day, Chleborad and his father Brian met with an orthopedic specialist in Minneapolis and he was diagnosed with a pinched ulnar nerve. The cause of the injury was cited in the original medical report as “overuse of the arm.”
“The doctor said the inflammation of the ulnar nerve was caused by overuse of the arm,” Brian Chleborad told IDS. “She said that it was a result of throwing too much in a short time frame.”
Chleborad was drafted by the Seattle Mariners in the 24th round of the Major League draft in June and has committed to play baseball at Washington State next fall. After returning from Minnesota, both the Seattle Mariners and Washington State recommended an MRI for Chleborad, which was given last Friday. On Tuesday, the results were sent to both Washington State and Seattle.
Since drafting Chleborad, the Mariners have flown scouts to see him pitch on three occasions. At the Gopher Classic, Seattle flew two top-level scouts to Minneapolis to assess Chleborad. According to Brian Chleborad, both the Mariners and Washington State voiced concerns that his son was pitching too much.
“The scout we have been dealing with from the Mariners said they want to monitor the injury before making an offer, ” said Brian Chleborad. “The Mariners like that Tanner’s a competitor but they want him to learn to say ‘no’ when he can’t pitch. The scout told me that Tanner is throwing too much. In fact, the Blue Jays scout, the guy from the Major League Scouting Bureau and Washington State all said Tanner was throwing too much.”
According to Brian Chleborad, following the injury, Washington State head coach Donnie Marbut said he did not want Tanner to pitch until he got to Washington State and the staff could monitor him.
“Tanner has a future to think about, and we are going to follow the advice of the doctors and Washington State.” Brian Chleborad said.
Tanner Chleborad attended orientation at Washington State the week before the Firecracker Tournament. He took the mound against Missoula, Mont. on June 29, the opening night of the tournament. Chleborad threw seven innings and 93 pitches in a 2-0 loss.
According to Tanner Chleborad, on July 3, on three days rest, he was was asked by a Post 22 coach if he could pitch, and Tanner said that his arm was sore. Chleborad instead pitched the next night in the third place game against West Warwick, R.I. He threw 6 and 2/3 innings and 128 pitches in a 6-3 loss. On July 9 at the Gopher Classic, Chleborad threw seven innings and 118 pitches in a 2-0 win.
“There is no question that Tanner has thrown too many pitches,” said Brian Chleborad. “A pitcher should be at 102 to 105 pitches (per game) this time of year. All the reports will tell you that and when you go above that, injuries can happen. Coach Ploof was fully aware that Tanner’s arm was hurting before the Gopher Classic because we had trainers looking at him, giving him advice on icing and ibuprofen, and he was receiving electric therapy treatment. Coach (Ploof) was well aware of that, he was sitting right there.”
IDS contacted Coach Ploof for a response and he declined further comment.
Chleborad is on the 18-man post-season roster and cannot be replaced with a substitute player.
“If I can’t pitch, I still want to be a part of the team, and encourage them, especially the younger guys,” said Chleborad. “Of course it is disappointing, but also it isn’t worth ending a career.”
“I had a lot of great times, and laughs, but there were also a lot of hard times,” Chleborad continued. “It was a long, hard road, and a lot of time spent on the diamond and in the bullpen. But overall, it was an experience of a lifetime.”
In his career with Post 22 Chleborad has a record of 23-8 and a 2.12 ERA. He accumulated 19 complete games, and has struck out 187 batters in three years as a starting pitcher.
Note: All pitch count numbers cited in this story were compiled by Post 22 with the use of Game Changer stat keeping software.
First of all, congratulations Tanner on an outstanding legion career and good luck wherever your career takes you. Believe me, your “experiences of a lifetime are still to come”.
I’d say “overuse” is the understatement of the year. 339 pitches in 11 days is an outrageous number. Most of the kids in that program will say they want the ball even if they can’t pick up their arm. Adults have to step in and protect them from themselves. This is very sad to hear.
Obviously, that is a great number of pitches for a young mans arm…..Seems like the most important games are in the near future and fresh arms should be a priority. The team has worked hard all year to win these games.. It seems silly to let your star arms be worn out.. Again, we are not there to know all the facts other than what we are reading…..If I was the father, I would be concerned with how this has been handled.
Are people seriously suprised by this? This has been going on forever we just haven’t had payed attention as closely as IDS has.
Okay….not to copy off of Sam Hurst but “someone has to say it”
You play no matter how your arm feels and if you complain or don’t perform good and say “my arm hurts” you get called “milk toast” if your lucky or far worse names that shouldn’t be repeated. This is how Ploof has always treated pitchers. Just be glad Tanner wasn’t a position player to. He would have had to throw that much more. Why don’t you ask Dana Hill how pitching and then catching full time worked out for his shoulder. Or ask SDSU’s coaches how they felt about how Kolton Emery was used.
Big league organizations prepare their pitchers better than anyone in the world to handle the stress of pitching and they would never even think about treating them this way. Why? They are invested in them. If a organization hurts there big time pitchers it will have a huge impact on their organization. If Dave Ploof blows out a kids arm, it is only the kid who suffers. Ploof will have a new crop of players next year.
So, I am right here? We have already had 2 former players sound off on Ploof and his treatment of players? I just read the story from last nights game and it looks like this STILL hasn’t dettered him from over using pitchers. Bohne threw 137 pitches? If I remember correctly, doesnt Bohne play in the field too? My goodness, get a grip!
IDS should do a story on this. There is obviously a big problem with pitch counts especially at the high school level. Look no further than the boxscore for the 320 vs 22 game last night – Bohne threw 138 and Carroll threw 144!
No. Heck of a word to use. Its hard to say it but when you are a 24th rounder and a Pac 10 commit it should be very easy to say. “My arm hurts, i can’t play today.” Also very easy to say.
Obviously, high schoolers have a hard time saying these because they are above the law and on top of the world (i remember playing for 22 and feeling on top of the world). Saying no is tough to coaches. I guarantee coaches didn’t know the extent of his soreness. I always lied…everyone on my team and my brothers teams (5 years worth) lied about sore arms.
I can’t believe a throwing schedule wasn’t established by the college coach for the summer. if not to ease the player into WSU’s program then to make sure the players arm was healthy during the summer. When I signed my letter of intent, I had a program and when i came the next summer everything was planned out (I literally had a calendar for my entire summer).
Say no to drugs and overthrowing! But, you have to say no to the coach! Not, “I said no,” to the reporter.
Lots of armchair coaching here. Parents complain when their kid is taken out of a game, complain if he pitches too much, complain he doesn’t get play the field. Three starts in 11 days, not unheard of at all. Do you think he ever asked out of the game? Me either. What about all those ‘show case’ games he played last winter? His and his parent’s choice. He could have been resting, but its hard to take your eye off the ultimate prize. So he threw, always trying to hit 90 mph to wow the scouts. Looks like he had the same mentality this summer when the scouts were there.
Pitching breeds injuries, period. They happen warming up, they happen from good and bad mechanics, they happen on one pitch or many. It’s easy to blame someone else; it’s hard to look in the mirror and accept reality. Arms are but flesh and bone and not meant to throw 5 oz. balls 90+ mph. Arms break down. Now rest up and learn from this experience.
Aaron, I dont know what your sports background is or how much baseball you have been around but you are way off here. Why don’t you give a college coach a call and ask him if he thinks 339 pitches in 11 days is too much. Or, better yet, ask a professional pitching coach what he thinks about it. Oh, but wait, one more. Ask a doctor what they think. You need to do some research.
What parent wouldn’t have an issue with his son’s chances of playing professional baseball being comprimised so that a coach could collect a few more wins for his legacy?
Do you believe that a high caliber athlete in any sport wants to come out of a game when injured? Hang up the old amateur jersey from 1980 Aaron, its 2011.
Aaron makes one logical point….Throwing a baseball overhand repeatedly is inherently stressful. Then Aaron spews a bunch nonsense. Go back to work Aaron, baseball is not your cup of tea.
3 Starts in 11 days isn’t uncommon? Really? Do you realize that professional pitching rotations have there staff starting twice every 12 days and college pitching rotations have their starters go once a week? Even in those starts they rarely break the 100-110 pitch barrier.
By knocking all that “off-season” throwing that Tanner did, are you reffering to the tournaments that he competed in that eventually led to him signing at WSU and being drafted by the Mariners?
Good grief. I understand loyalty, but defending the indefensible does not make you loyal….it makes you in idiot
Hardheads,
I understand Aaron completely. I pitched in high school and college. You are an idiot to think that a college pitcher throws once a week. A starter at that.
College pitchers throw twice at 100% during each 7 day period. You add 4 more days to that (which = 11), then they throw three times at 100%. “Pitchers today are wasting as much as 50% or more of their time throwing at less than game intensity during bullpens,” says Dick Mills, former Red Sox pitcher. Three times @ 100% in 11 days.
I’m not totally disagreeing with you, pitch count is an issue. When you look at the big picture, throwing at less than 100% for a pitcher, once warmed up, is a complete waste of energy. Tanner will find that out in college. A pitch count will be set, but when its crunch time, the coach will let him throw 110+ pitches (when he is ready).
Now to state the obvious. If you are a 24th rounder that signs at WSU, how in the name of Zeus are you throwing over 100 pitches. I understand warm up pitches and what not, but you are competing against teams that are not very solid from top to bottom. Tanner will be great and WSU is a great place for him (they really know how to build their pitchers – Matt Way, absolute stud from WSU I faced in college/summer baseball). Just needs to focus.
Hardheads, think before you call someone out
. Even if you take care of your arm it can fall off at any minute.
Kirby,
I’m really not sure where you’re coming from or what college programs you are reffering to that start their pitchers twice in a week. In my experience, college programs have a Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday night starter. They may also play a midweek double header, but none of their weekend starters will ever start again midweek. I’d be very curious to hear some examples of programs you are referring to.
Your Dick Mills references are only valid if you buy into anything that he has to say, which I personally don’t. Even the quote you reference doesn’t hold water in my opinion. Pitchers across the big leagues have been doing side work and flat ground at less than 100% as part of their workouts for many many years. Are they all wrong? Throwing at less than 100% is great for developing consistent tempo and rhythm as well as consistent release point, touch, and feel of off-speed pitches. Mills likes to say that throwing at less than 100% breaks scientific laws of specificity, he advocates against long toss for the same reason. These are things that the vast majority of pitching coaches across the country believe in, however, saying the same thing as other reputable coaches doesn’t make him any money….He has to be “revolutionary” if he wants to sell stuff on the internet. He makes a lot of money by using terms like “specificity” and “elastic energy” but most of what he preaches doesn’t hold much water biomechanically, in my opinion.
As far as your arms ability to fall off at any minute goes. Yes, even those who prepare their arms well and don’t overuse them can end up with an arm injury somewhere along the line. However, Dr. James Andrews, one of the most renowned orthopedic sergeons in the country cites the number one cause of arm injury as “overuse”. What do you suppose he would think about 339 in 11 days?
Actually, it’s not fair of me to say that I don’t buy into “anything” that Mills says. I think there are things you can learn from almost every coach. I actually really like some of the thoughts he has on generating momentum to create velocity. However, I will always remain skeptical of his agenda. He just seems to want to contradict too many things that have worked well for too many people.
Kids aren’t just going to tell the coach that they can’t throw because their arm hurts. When I was 18 on post 22 I threw 167 pitches against Spearfish in the state tourney and asked to pitch the championship game later that night. I didn’t get my wish but would have gladly pitched if given the opportunity. I didn’t know any better but I just knew I wanted to pitch. Coaches should be obligated to monitor these kids innings and pitch counts during the summer.
I was blessed enough to play division 1 baseball and learn from some phenomenal pitching coaches. Pitchers were continuously monitored and on strict pitch counts. We also were in he weight room for 1.5 hours a day getting stronger and working on flexibility. This not only built arm strength but it helped prevent injury. Kids that play high school ball here in Texas are all in the weight room. This should be implemented at Post 22 as well.
Let’s be thankful his MRI came back with a positive report and not a torn ligament. He obviously has a bright future so let’s hope some time off is all he needs.
Good luck at state boys!
Guys, give up the armchair coaching and take up soccer. Leave the pitching to Tanner.
BTW – GREAT article Jake!
SD Sports and Hardheads,
Here’s your research for you:
June 19, 2011 – 122 pitches; June 24, 2011 – 90 pitches; June 28, 2011 – 127 pitches. Pitcher – Michael Roth. Who is Michael Roth you say? 31 st round draft pick of the Indians; Junior starter for the University of South Carolina Gamecocks; back-to-back winners of the Div. 1 College World Series. He won the Championship game. He threw 339 pitches in 9 days. Right now South Carolina has the best college baseball program in the country. It seems his coach knows what he’s doing. Maybe Ploof does know or maybe he doesn’t know what he’s doing; but he’s not alone with his handling of pitchers. I guess that answers Herz’s question to Kirby.
You will find pitchers that have thrown more and didn’t get hurt and pitchers that threw less and did. The reverse is also true. I have watched alot of baseball over the past three decades. I sit in the stands and hear the parents’ comments. I read stories and see anonymous commentators throw out blame and insult others without reason or basis. I think it’s sad that Brian blames Ploof. It was Tanner who walked to the mound to throw. Brian stood in the stands courted the scouts. No one put a gun to either’s head to do so. The player knows how his arm feels, the coach can only take the player’s word. On July 3, Ploof asked Tanner if he could pitch. He said no and he didn’t pitch. Should he have said ‘no’ the next day too? Maybe. Or maybe he gets hurt anyway. In the end, injuries happen for all sorts of reasons.
Whoops, the 19th to the 28th is ten days. My bad.
Aaron
Good job on the research(actually not research)! Go to asmi.org. That is good place to start for research. Surely there was bound to be at least 1 case similiar to this. The College World Series. Not The Firecracker Tournment in SD in the middle of the season. Did Roth continue this regiment throughout the season? Post 22 pitchers do.
I don’t think anyone would bat an eye at a young man throwing that many pitches in the post-season, knowing that he could have as much time as needed to rest. Roth is also 6″1, 210 pounds. A well conditioned athlete. Not sure what Tanner is but does not look like 170 pounds soaking wet.
The player does have a responsibility. However, how many 18 year olds have you met that are good at communicating? As a coach-mentor, you have a responsibility to say “no” sometimes. That obviously did not happen.
Tanner is healthy and will have a great career. I just wish SD baseball fans could have watched those 339 pitches in the post-season, when it matters.
This is a great conversation, but we should all be cautious of anecdotes. We should be cautious of making broad generalizations from individual stories. Science searches for the patterns behind the individual stories. Can an individual pitcher survive an outing in which he throws 140,150,160 pitches? Of course. The historical record is full of examples of individual exceptions. But for every individual anecdote of heroic endurance, there are a dozen stories of arm surgery and busted careers. Instead of asking “Can a pitcher (or coach) get away with it one time?” We should be asking, “What’s the best way to manage a pitcher’s career?” To answer that question, coaches are the last people we should turn to. In every professional and high level college sport coaches are being removed from decisions about health and injury. Trainers, physicians, and scientists are taking over. Just last year the SD legislature passed a new law that removes coaches from the decision about when to return a player who has had a concussion back to the field.
This discussion has been focused on the warrior mentality of players. The same is true in football. Most concussed players will tell the coach they are ready to play, even when they can’t remember their own name or count to three. The days of the guilt-tripping, “be a man” coaching style are over, and quaint anecdotes about individual exceptions belong in the trash can. For people who actually want to learn the science, a good place to begin is The Andrews Institute of Sports Medicine.
Interesting article on pitch counts by ESPN’s Tim Kurkjian. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=4359938
Jason,
I said, “College pitchers throw twice at 100% during each 7 day period.” I did not say they started twice. Easy to get confused. I was saying the 2nd time would be a bullpen. I also don’t see the point of throwing a bullpen at less than 100%. Would an outfielder take fly balls or run sprints at 75% and get better…No. Will an infielder take ground balls at 80% percent and gain a step…Definitely not. So why would someone who wants to gain velocity or arm strength throw at 75%-80%, especially off the mound? Absolutely no point.
We could probably go on and on about this because I’m seeing that we believe in two very different pitching philosophies! I do understand overthrowing…It is bad. At the next level people get “over-pitched” but they are much better prepared for it when the time comes.
I guess this is an agree to disagree situation then.
You’re telling me you threw 100 pitch, max effort bullpens between starts? In my experience it’s almost impossible to simulate game intensity in the bullpen, but I have to say that I never really tried to throw as hard as I could in between starts either. I also don’t think that trying to gain velocity in between starts is realistic or a very good idea. For me, velocity gains come in the off-season.
I don’t even know how to catch a ground ball at 80%, that would be like shooting free throws at 100%, but I can tell you that in all of my years watching, playing, and coaching baseball I have never come across an infielder or an outfielder that threw the ball as hard as he could every time he caught it…..their arm would fall off.
I guess there will always be differencs in opinion. My beliefs are formed from the coaches I played for and from personal experiences. Having Jeff Andrews as a pitching coach and following the program he had us on was not only eye-opening, but it had me prepared to start every 5th day. I was blessed to have never missed a start in my entire career. That may just be good fortune, but it’s also the reason I believe what I believe.
I feel like I’m either saying things incorrectly or words are being put into my mouth. In any of my above comments do you see 100 pitch bullpen? I also agree that that would be ridiculous!
I’m saying that a starter throws about 100 pitches (maybe less or more depending on the start) in one start. A few days later they throw a bullpen (I was always taught that bullpens are game situations and not to be taken lightly, and I agree with it) of 20-40 pitches. They would then make their next start (80-100 pitches). Leaves us at about 220-240 pitches. I would say that is about standard.
Then you toss in playing catch. I’m not sure about you, but after I was warmed up we would play long toss. We would work up to 100%. We would then throw about 20 throws at 100%. Say you do that twice. Leaves us at about 260-280 at 100% in 8 days.
Anyone would say that is over throwing also. That was our routine (our arms were in much better shape though). I’m not saying every throw is 100%. Playing summer baseball showed me many different routines during college. University of Utah throws 100% long toss after every start. As far as you can go for 20 minutes. Same with UC Riverside. U of Washington throws a 45 pitch bullpen between every start at 100%.
I’m sure we could find a handful here and there that believe throwing more at 100% is the way to go. We could find another handful that say the opposite. We could also see that overthrowing is not universally defined regarding how many pitches/and in what manner (long toss, regular throwing or bullpens).
Felt like I was being heard incorrectly. Sorry for the book, just wanted to clarify
I guess this comment:
“College pitchers throw twice at 100% during each 7 day period. You add 4 more days to that (which = 11), then they throw three times at 100%.”
Made me think you were justifying the 3 starts in 11 days. Tanner’s “midweek bullpen” was basically a 91 pitch start (far more than that if you include warm up pitches and such). Anyway, I think we have sufficiently derailed this conversation
To Jason:
On a way off the subject side note I just read the articles regarding Mr. Anderson and I’m glad you finally put him down! I looked for your email so I could send it to you directly but couldn’t find it. Sorry for the bump in the thread.
Thanks man. It’s been a long year and we’re glad to put it all behind us.
jason@bhbattersbox.com is the email. Get ahold of me if your ever back in Rapid or just stop out and see the place.
To everyone,
I hope Tanner is not being lost in this whole communication. We all hope he is ok. Tanner is a great kid that I was lucky enough to coach in basketball. He grew so much from his 8th grade year to senior year that I am sure his body was a little fragile. Pitching is not a natural thing for the arm to do and every single person is at risk of injury. We have so many Little League Coaches (where are youth first start to pitch) allowing their players to throw way too many curve balls. LL started a litch count that actually allows them to throw more than the old way of 6 inning a week.
Then when they are 13 and 14 they start to have more serious arm problems. I think all of us coaches need to be educated more by medical people who know what is best for our players arms.
I don’t think Tanner is being lost in the conversation. Rather I think the conversation has taken a healthy turn (for those still reading) away from finger pointing and towards a solution with regards to what is and isn’t healthy for young pitchers.
Speaking of the medical aspect:
The American Sports Medicine Institute (ASMI) did a study a couple years back in which they found throwing a curveball to be no more stressful on the arm than throwing a fastball. They claim that it is more likely that pitchers who have success throwing curveballs are usually the ones throwing the majority of innings. With that being the case, they still point to overuse as the number one cause of arm injury. Now before anyone reads this and uses it as a license to start cranking out curveballs, I think it’s important to understand that not all curveballs are created equally. Sure, a properly thrown curveball may not be more stressful than the fastball. However, it’s hard to say exactly what mechanics are being taught to our lttle leaguers and even when it’s taught correctly it’s even harder to tell how each pitcher is applying those mechanics at release. A properly thrown curveball does not require the elbow to supinate (the action made when turning a door nob). That supination, which is the action found in throwing a slider, does put extra strain on the elbow, in many medical professionals opinions. I have heard kids around Rapid City being taught “sliders”, “J-curves”, and “spinners”. I think those terms come from coaches that don’t want to alarm parents by saying “curveball”. However, those pitches are far more dangerous than a properly thrown curveball. As for me, I teach what I threw from age 10 through 13. We called it a “Pass Ball” because you throw it like a football pass and the ball sort of slips through your hand to create spin. In other words, you are not turning the elbow or wrist in anyway to create spin. Some kids have a harder time throwing it than others, but I refuse to teach the curveball because although I know how it should be released, the players interpretation of that may vary greatly.
I completely agree with Jason (Olson) that the new pitch count rules are counterproductive. This was mind numbingly evident during the early rounds of little league allstars when coaches were trying to conserve pitching. You can throw 19 pitches and require 0 days rest. However, mixed into those 19 pitches ar 30 warmups in the bullpen and 5 warmup pitches between innings (usually 2 innings worth). Basically, if you throw 5 consecutive days in a tournament under those guidelines you may end up throwing over 250 pitches in that time span. It should be pointed out that Little League International worked directly with the afore mentioned ASMI to establish those pitch count restrictions. So could be argued that, in some circumstances, we should listen less to the medical community? I don’t really feel comfortable saying that either. What I think we should all agree on is this:
Coaches need to constantly remind themselves to keep their players best interest in mind.
For me, there is far too much emphasis placed on winning in youth sports today. I think you can teach all the postive attributes of toughness and competitiveness without forcing the players attention to the final score.
Man, I think I got a little carried away. I’m pretty sure nobody is reading this anymore except the IDS administrators, so that was probably all pointless.
3 starts in 11 days is standard in professional baseball. Pitch, 4 days “off”, pitch, followed by 4 more days “off”, then pitch- that equals 11 days. I understand that this isn’t professional baseball, but this is in response to those posters who were saying that no professional club would get away with pitching a guy 3 times in 11 days. That goes on all season long- for 140 to 162 games depending on the level they are at.
if a player tell’s Ploof “no” that player is punished by being benched or replaced–even if it is for legit reasons. He is not interested in listening to his players- just DO AS HE SAYS,,, or else!
Hi Jason (Herz) -
I read it! You always have interesting comments.
Re Little League pitchcounts; they were mandated not only to save young arms, but also so coaches would develop their bullpens. More pitchers in the rotation hopefully means more boys getting more chances to contribute to the team. (And I don’t say that in order to start a debate on mandatory playing time.)
I know of Little Leaguers in town who were throwing in excess of 120 pitches in a game with no mandated days of rest prior to pitchcount rules, so I can’t agree that the rules are counter productive. There may be some unintended consequences, as you point out, but at some point you gotta hope that the coaches’ good sense would kick in and he would not work one pitcher to the tune of 250 pitches in a week. There used to be a day of rest built into the local tournament schedule to help out the coaches who wanted to use their twice during a tourney.
It’s funny that you call a pitch a “pass ball,” as that sounds dangerously close to “passed ball”…we get enough of those without any instruction!
Whoops. Edit twice, submit once:
I meant to say, …coaches who wanted to use their ace twice during a tourney. I missed the word ace.
ex post mom has it correct.
Jake, will there be an all state American legion team this year from ids?
Seth, we would love to do an all-state team but we weren’t at the state tournament to see the players from around the state.